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[identity profile] scfrankles.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] sherlock60
This week we’re having a look at The Bruce-Partington Plans. I’ve typed up a few thoughts and questions to get the discussion going—please leave your own ideas in the comments!

"It is fortunate for this community that I am not a criminal." "It is, indeed!" said I heartily. Of course, Holmes and Watson do break the law on occasion—they actually break the law later on in this very story when they first search Oberstein’s lodgings. So could this exchange be a joke between friends?

“Once, and only once, [Mycroft] has been here.” This presumably refers to when he came to Baker Street in GREE. I think it’s the Annotated Sherlock Holmes that points out this implies Mycroft managed to keep 221B exactly the same during the Hiatus without ever coming to Baker Street and having contact with Mrs. Hudson. But then, Holmes may simply mean his brother has visited him at Baker Street only once before.

“As to the Admiralty — it is buzzing like an overturned bee-hive.” In light of Holmes’ later interests this is rather an intriguing simile from Mycroft. Could the brothers have grown up with beehives around?

His wild eyes, stained cheeks, and unkempt hair all spoke of the sudden blow which had fallen upon the household. I can’t really feel sympathy for Colonel Valentine Walter but I do pity him. The fact he betrayed his brother and was indirectly responsible for his death feels to me to be an even worse sin than committing treason.

"I wonder if the death was natural, or whether the poor old fellow killed himself!” Any thoughts?

"What's this, Watson? Eh? What's this? Record of a series of messages in the advertisements of a paper.” As the New Annotated points out—why does Oberstein keep these advertisements? The recipient keeping them would be a foolhardy thing but still understandable—however, Oberstein was the one who put the messages in the paper.

One of the most remarkable characteristics of Sherlock Holmes was his power of throwing his brain out of action and switching all his thoughts on to lighter things whenever he had convinced himself that he could no longer work to advantage. Is this just during cases? Or has Holmes managed to train himself to do this between cases as an alternative to drugs?

...and it was necessary for me, as Mycroft Holmes absolutely and indignantly declined to climb the railings, to pass in and open the hall door. I love this moment because of the emphasis on the difference between Mycroft and Watson (and also between Mycroft and Holmes). Mycroft is the dignified “adult”; Holmes and Watson are the grown-up little boys who climb over railings and break into houses and generally have brilliant adventures.

"You can write me down an ass this time, Watson," said he. "This was not the bird that I was looking for." So who was Holmes expecting?

'I must keep them,' said he, 'for they are so technical that it is impossible in the time to make copies.' 'Then they must all go back together tonight,' said I. There’s a certain poignancy in thinking that if Cadogan West hadn’t seen Valentine Walter and gone after him, everything would probably have turned out all right. Cadogan West wouldn’t have been murdered, there would be no dead man to blame, so Walter would have insisted on returning all the papers and would probably not have attempted a second theft.

Oberstein… came to the lure and was safely engulfed for fifteen years in a British prison. But he was a murderer—why wasn’t he hanged? Last time we discussed BRUC [livejournal.com profile] laurose8 suggested that Oberstein’s lawyer may have managed to convince the jury that Valentine Walter was actually the murderer, and she also suggested that this may have been the truth—Walter may have indeed been the murderer.

Next Sunday, 22nd November, we’ll be having a look at The Devil’s Foot. Hope you can join us then.

(PS I'm not going to be able to reply to comments and posts today until late on this evening (GMT). But I will get to them all.)

Date: 2015-11-15 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thesmallhobbit.livejournal.com
I'm not sure everything would have turned out all right if Cadogan West hadn't followed Walter. The papers would have been copied and sold abroad (still treason) and the deception wouldn't have been found out until much later, by which time the drawings would have been in enemy hands. So maybe Cadogan West was the true hero.

My new book (you do realise I shall be quoting it for the next year!) suggests Oberstein may have bought his life by giving the authorities secrets from another power.

Date: 2015-11-15 11:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rachelindeed.livejournal.com
Hmmm. I have a hard time imagining Oberstein letting Walter just pack up all the plans and chicken out on the exchange. It seems possible that Oberstein might have instead decided to kill Walter, keep the necessary plans, and dump Walter's body on the passing train roof with the remaining plans stuffed in his pocket to take the blame, just as they wound up doing with poor Mr. West. A lot depends on what kind of spy Oberstein was, but I wouldn't necessarily assume that he was unwilling to murder a recalcitrant informant rather than let him ruin an important espionage mission.

Of course, all of this bother could have been easily avoided if Oberstein had simply kept a camera around to photograph sensitive technical documents. Given that he was apparently one of the leading international spies in the country, it seems surprising that he is lacking the basic tools necessary for this kind of information theft. Maybe Mycroft only allows him to continue to operate because he knows how incompetent he is! :)

Also, am I right in thinking that this is a rare instance of actual continuity between Doyle's stories? Didn't Holmes list Oberstein alongside Eduardo Lucas as one of the known international spies capable of high-level treason schemes back in Second Stain?

Date: 2015-11-16 01:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thesmallhobbit.livejournal.com
I agree entirely, although Walter's death would have been more deserved.

And yes, actual ACD continuity - who'd have thought it!

Date: 2015-11-15 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laurose8.livejournal.com
A suggestion about Oberstein keeping the adverts. He could have thought he just might have needed to refer the exact wording that he'd put in the paper. Also, the exact wording that had appeared, not always the same thing.

I wonder if, when Watson wrote this, he knew the irony that Bruce-Partington's plans were duds, as we know now?

edit: and thank you for pointing out that about the bee hives. I like that idea!
Edited Date: 2015-11-15 06:58 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-11-15 09:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] okapi1895.livejournal.com
Nice catch with the bees. Maybe its a Holmes thing, the fascination, summers in the country, perhaps?

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