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Welcome once again to my poetry page!

I hope each week you will read Dr. Watson’s delightful narrative and then go on to write a poem related to it in some way. All forms of poetry are permitted, and further down the page there is a selection you might like to consider using over the coming weeks.

And here, courtesy of my housemaid Rachel, is this week’s suggested poem to read—a suggestion inspired by the themes and subjects in this week's story. Hopefully you will enjoy the poem, and perhaps it may give you some ideas for a poem of your own or allow you to look at Dr. Watson's story in a new way.



Pity Me Not

By Edna St. Vincent Millay




Thank you so much to Rachel. A poem that could have been written for Mrs. Gibson.

And I thought we could also have a go at a new poetry form: the rispetto.


Robert Lee Brewer on Writer’s Digest gives this definition:


Okay, here’s a new form. Actually, scratch that. This is a very old form (from Italy, no less). Still, new to me anyway. I found more than a few definitions, but here are the two most common variations:

Rispetto No.1: Poem comprised of two quatrains written in iambic (unstress, stress) tetrameter (four feet–or, in this case, 8 syllables).

Rispetto No.2: Poem (or song) comprised of 8 hendecasyllabic (11-syllable) lines–usually one stanza.

Both versions appear to follow this rhyme scheme: ababccdd (though I also found a mention of an abababcc pattern). Plus, I found more than a few sources which claim rispettos were originally written to pay “respect” to a woman.

However, over the centuries, this poem has offered itself up for other subjects and variations. So feel free to experiment.



A reminder that a quatrain is a stanza with four lines (so both rispetto forms end up being eight lines long). And a line in iambic tetrameter is ‘te TUM, te TUM, te TUM, te TUM’.



Here is my example (using the second rispetto form):


Sir Sherlock—scientist, knight, thinking machine:
Chivalrous opponent of the fairer sex.
You politely treat me as your honoured queen
And yet, sir, you will not pay me your respects.
Do you honestly think it shows a weak will
Just to think of a woman as your equal?
Dear knight, let neither of us be the vassal!
(And do please stop setting fire to my castle.)



But you do not have to use that form. Any form of poetry is welcome this week—and every week! Here are a few suggestions for you:

221B verselet, abecedarian poetry, acrostic poetry, alexandrine, ballad, beeswing, blackout poetry, blitz poem, blues stanza, bref double, Burns stanza, call and response, chastushka, cinquain, circular poetry, clerihew, colour poems, compound word verse, concrete poetry, Cornish verse, curtal sonnet, diamante, doggerel, double dactyl, echo verse, ekphrasis, elegiac couplet, elegiac stanza, elfje, englyn, epigram, epistle, epitaph, epulaeryu, Etheree, fable, Fib, florette, found poetry, free verse, ghazal, haiku, hay(na)ku, In Memoriam stanza, Italian sonnet, jueju, kennings poem, lanturne, lies, limerick, line messaging, list poem, lyric poetry, mathnawī, micropoetry, mini-monoverse, musette, nonsense verse, palindrome poetry, pantoum, Parallelismus Membrorum, poem cycle, quintilla, renga, rhyming alliterisen, riddle, rime couée, rispetto, Schüttelreim, sedoka, septet, sestina, sonnet, stream of consciousness, tanka, tercet, terza rima, tongue twister poetry, triangular triplet, triolet, Tyburn, villanelle


Please leave all your poems inspired by The Problem of Thor Bridge in the comments on this post. I look forward to seeing them!


Warm regards,

Mrs. Hudson

Clerihew

Date: 2017-04-23 07:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gardnerhill.livejournal.com
Used, abandoned Maria
Had no future that she could see. A
Husband who loathed her for governess’ charms
Last stand at the bridge, and at last take up arms

Re: Clerihew

Date: 2017-04-23 08:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thesmallhobbit.livejournal.com
Poor Maria - she deserves sympathy.

Re: Clerihew

Date: 2017-04-23 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gardnerhill.livejournal.com
Frankly, the real villain got away with his crime in this one.

Re: Clerihew

Date: 2017-04-23 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gardnerhill.livejournal.com
If only she'd had the fortitude to shoot the real villain in this one.

RE: Clerihew

Date: 2017-04-23 01:47 pm (UTC)
ext_1789368: okapi (Okapi)
From: [identity profile] okapi1895.livejournal.com
Seconding kudos for last line. And give her her name, no?

Re: Clerihew

Date: 2017-04-23 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gardnerhill.livejournal.com
Oh look, Arthur, those "fiery Brazilian girls" actually have names and emotional states. Too bad the wrong person got shot.

RE: Clerihew

Date: 2017-04-23 04:58 pm (UTC)
debriswoman: (cat and mouse)
From: [personal profile] debriswoman
A sad tale...and the villain unpunished.

Re: Clerihew

Date: 2017-04-23 10:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gardnerhill.livejournal.com
Well, maybe Mr. Gipson will take a sea voyage real soon. I understand the liner ALICIA has room for one more passenger...
(deleted comment)

RE: Re: Rispetto: first form

Date: 2017-04-23 04:59 pm (UTC)
debriswoman: (cat and mouse)
From: [personal profile] debriswoman
Yep
"Love" with a sell by date.

RE: Re: Rispetto: first form

Date: 2017-04-23 05:00 pm (UTC)
debriswoman: (cat and mouse)
From: [personal profile] debriswoman
And, sadly, Holmes and Watson let it slide.

Re: Rispetto: first form

Date: 2017-04-23 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gardnerhill.livejournal.com
Funny how the second wives never seem to see that they, too, will be dumped like #1 the second they grow a grey hair or develop a personality.

RE: Re: Rispetto: first form

Date: 2017-04-23 06:08 pm (UTC)
debriswoman: (cat and mouse)
From: [personal profile] debriswoman
Indeed...she thinks it will be different, somehow.

Rispetto Type One

Date: 2017-04-23 08:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thesmallhobbit.livejournal.com
In which someone misunderstands the meaning of ‘four feet’

It’s said we need four feet for this
So Watson goes with Mister Holmes
To take a third would be remiss
And spoil the metre of my pomes

Four feet upon the bridge that night
Yet only two ran back in fright
A rival who the price must pay
But Mister Holmes will save the day

Re: Rispetto Type One

Date: 2017-04-23 12:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thesmallhobbit.livejournal.com
See, I told him it was okay!

RE: Rispetto Type One

Date: 2017-04-23 05:01 pm (UTC)
debriswoman: (cat and mouse)
From: [personal profile] debriswoman
Excellent interpretation of the rules:-)
And a lovely poem:-)

Re: Rispetto Type One

Date: 2017-04-23 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thesmallhobbit.livejournal.com
I knew it was correct :)

Thank you - I'm delighted to like it.

RE: Re: Rispetto Type One

Date: 2017-04-23 06:07 pm (UTC)
debriswoman: (cat and mouse)
From: [personal profile] debriswoman
Of course, mouselet...I am kicking myself for not seeing the obvious.
Well done:-)

Re: Rispetto Type One

Date: 2017-04-23 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thesmallhobbit.livejournal.com
Your poem is lovely too, although I think six feet are involved in it. If there are four feet and then a further four feet that would be all right, but I suspect there is an attempt to have all six at once.

RE: Re: Rispetto Type One

Date: 2017-04-23 06:17 pm (UTC)
debriswoman: (cat and mouse)
From: [personal profile] debriswoman
Perhaps if I change it so that two of them are hopping?

RE: Re: Rispetto Type One

Date: 2017-04-23 06:23 pm (UTC)
debriswoman: (cat and mouse)
From: [personal profile] debriswoman
Sorted:-)



Oh Grace, my love for her declines
As every single day goes by.
And as I hop my heart inclines
To youth and beauty; you and I
Are meant to hop as one, I fear
I made a rash mistake, it's clear
That you are mine, my love won't stop
Until you grow too old to hop.
~0~

Re: Rispetto Type One

Date: 2017-04-23 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thesmallhobbit.livejournal.com
I believe you have captured the nature of the relationship perfectly and kept within the confines of the verse.

You are a genius to rival Mr Holmes!

RE: Re: Rispetto Type One

Date: 2017-04-23 06:53 pm (UTC)
debriswoman: (cat and mouse)
From: [personal profile] debriswoman
I am so very proud:-)
Please do point out any other indefensible errors of form and meter so that I don't embarrass myself again.

Re: Rispetto Type One

Date: 2017-04-23 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thesmallhobbit.livejournal.com
Please let me assure you Mouselet has no idea about poetic forms, and we all enjoy your contributions immensely.

Mr Holmes currently has a visitor and Mouselet is totally engrossed with his arrival, so you will almost certainly hear no more from her today.

Re: Rispetto Type One

Date: 2017-04-23 07:13 pm (UTC)
ext_1789368: okapi (Default)
From: [identity profile] okapi1895.livejournal.com
In Mouselet's defense, there are so few words that rhyme with Hopkins. Pop-pins, of course, but that requires a time machine, I think...

Re: Rispetto Type One

Date: 2017-04-23 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thesmallhobbit.livejournal.com
Unfortunately it would. But it has just given me a wonderful idea for an AU!

Re: Rispetto Type One

Date: 2017-04-23 07:15 pm (UTC)
ext_1789368: okapi (Default)
From: [identity profile] okapi1895.livejournal.com
Really, this is quite fabulous!

RE: Re: Rispetto Type One

Date: 2017-04-23 07:24 pm (UTC)
debriswoman: (cat and mouse)
From: [personal profile] debriswoman
:-p

Re: Rispetto Type One

Date: 2017-04-23 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gardnerhill.livejournal.com
If only Mouselet could have bravely leapt upon Mrs. Gipson's gun-hand and nipped her, hard enough to make that poor woman drop the weapon, come to her senses, and simply run away from that toxic home.

Re: Rispetto Type One

Date: 2017-04-23 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thesmallhobbit.livejournal.com
Had I been there, I would have done my best to help. But I rarely leave 221B and Thor Bridge would have been a long way to travel by myself.

The poetry of Mrs H

Date: 2017-04-23 05:03 pm (UTC)
debriswoman: (cat and mouse)
From: [personal profile] debriswoman
Wonderful, ma'am.
Your patience is a marvel to behold:-)

rispetto No. 1

Date: 2017-04-23 07:07 pm (UTC)
ext_1789368: okapi (Default)
From: [identity profile] okapi1895.livejournal.com
Maria Pinto of Manaus,
unlike Mrs. J. Neil Gibson,
would not be cuckold in her house
departed like a doll of Ibsen

Her prime had passed, or so they say
but, tell me, will you, who are they,
deny her courage, dignity
and damn a wronged Antigone.

Re: rispetto No. 1

Date: 2017-04-23 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thesmallhobbit.livejournal.com
Very well put indeed. Great use of the form.

Re: rispetto No. 1

Date: 2017-04-23 07:44 pm (UTC)
ext_1789368: okapi (Default)
From: [identity profile] okapi1895.livejournal.com
Thank you!

Re: rispetto No. 1

Date: 2017-04-23 08:52 pm (UTC)
ext_1789368: okapi (Default)
From: [identity profile] okapi1895.livejournal.com
Thank you! This one was more difficult than it should have been. But I wanted to give Maria her due.

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